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How to ruin your reputation - Civic/Impreza

Both brand new, redesigned cars have/had engine issues. Major issues. I pity early adopters brave enough to buy untested stuff and then spend days at dealership or biting nails will their car kill them or they will live.
Unfortunately this slap in the face does not stop blind and brainwashed to continue buying those cars as they 'have been proven to be great value and very reliable'.




Imagine if that happens to Hyundai. Everybody would say 'once crap, always crap'.
I am refusing to buy new ugly Civic and most likely would not go for Impreza even though it was on my list.
Elantra or Sonata will be way to go. But Camry 2018 is very promising, too...
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the subaru 2.5 na has had problems for a really long time. head gaskets, and then rings. i think they still have problems with the rings. there will always be problems with the mechanical parts, the most important is how the manufacturer deals with it. a long time ago, ford had a problem with the 3.8 supercharged motors snapping cranks. i think it was because they bypassed the forging, and went with cast. they recalled all the cars, pulled them all off the lot, and put new cranks in. gm had the same problem, their approach was to hope and pray the engines made it past the warranty, then it was customer pay. porsche had huge problems with water pumps on the 944's, and the blocks on the turbos. again, hope and pray. bmw had problems with the 4hp22 transmission, i can remember them being stacked up in parts, waiting to go back to bmwna. at that time, warranty was only 12k. part of the state inspection here in texas is to test emissions while the engine is running. lotsa bmw transmission died on the test, and for a while, no place would test a bmw that had auto trans. bmw extended the warranty on the trans to 100k, but first only in calif. then, the rest of the union found out, sued bmw, and the result was all of them extended. one of my friends worked for a gm dealer, and there was a problem with the tires, i think. they had onstar notify owners to pull off the road immediatly, tow truck on the way, tires replaced. volkswagen had a really neat problem with the mas. if the car was out of warranty, i think the mas cost only 29 bucks. bmw used the exact same mas, but it came in an assembly, and the assembly was big bucks. of course, some really smart independents figgered out that the electrical part of the mas could easily be separated from the assembly, and the vw mas worked perfect. vw mas' were being sold at an alarming rate, finally vw would only sell the mas if the sale was accompanied by a vin. tricks of the trade. parts was fun sometimes.
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Both brand new, redesigned cars have/had engine issues. Major issues. I pity early adopters brave enough to buy untested stuff and then spend days at dealership or biting nails will their car kill them or they will live.
Unfortunately this slap in the face does not stop blind and brainwashed to continue buying those cars as they 'have been proven to be great value and very reliable'.




Imagine if that happens to Hyundai. Everybody would say 'once crap, always crap'.
I am refusing to buy new ugly Civic and most likely would not go for Impreza even though it was on my list.
Elantra or Sonata will be way to go. But Camry 2018 is very promising, too...
Ummm Hyundai is going through this right now with their 11-14 Sonata/Optima and various other models. My Sonata is sitting at the dealer waiting for a new long block as I type this. lol
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Ummm Hyundai is going through this right now with their 11-14 Sonata/Optima and various other models. My Sonata is sitting at the dealer waiting for a new long block as I type this. lol
I understand that, but I am talking about BRAND NEW cars. Meaning they did NOT do any reasonable quality control - just assembled engine and start selling it. And Subaru's stupidity to switch to GDI to gain 4HP and maybe, just maybe lower gas consumption.


For this massive recall of 1.4 million cars is a different story; they did not fail RIGHT AWAY but after a while. It is not reasonable to expect for any manufacturer to do 'test drive' for few years and put hundred of thousands of miles. Even though I would expect them to have facility where car can 'run on a treadmill' for hundred of thousands of miles with robots switching on and off all kind of buttons, accelerating/braking, etc. Or do I dream with open eyes...?
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I think Honda tried to go too electrical with the new Civic. Seems like a lot of the issues (besides the wrist pin missing, of course) are tied to electrical issues. It's like VW back in the early 2000's.


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The Elantra is a brand new, redesigned car. Hard to tell how they will age or what problems may appear down the road.

I understand the Honda or Subaru thing for those that had them during the Golden Years. These days things seem to change quickly. Buyer beware.

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The conventional wisdom used to be never buy a car in its first model year. These days it doesn't really matter. Manufacturing techniques and parts are always changing.
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The conventional wisdom used to be never buy a car in its first model year. These days it doesn't really matter. Manufacturing techniques and parts are always changing.
You pays your money and you takes your chances. I got bit a little bit with a 2002 Ford Focus, although the car lasted me 165K miles.

The model was introduced in 2000 and restyled in 2005 - although it didn't really change until 2008.

So I was in the third model year

But there were parts that they upgraded but didn't figure out until 2004 or so (TPS), then they quit making the 2002 Parts, so if you had a 2004 or up, you got the better TPS, but if your 2002 failed, you essentially had to get a different throttle body.

Then there ware parts that were better on the 2000-2001 cars (metal valve covers, tougher thermostat housing), that they figured out how to make cheaper and lower quality by 2002.

That said, I think cars are a lot more stable now than they used to be - i.e. the RB Accent was introduced in 2012, mine is a 2016, the 2018 will be a re-design. From 2012 to 2017, the major changes were:
- Radio went from black letters on blue background to blue letters on black background.
- Taillights and grille changed slightly, but you really have to have an Accent to notice (I think the old parts will bolt onto the new model and vice-versa).
- Headlights got LED DRL accents (no pun intended) on the Sport/Style models.
- Some shuffling of the option packages and what you can and can't combine on the car.
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You pays your money and you takes your chances. I got bit a little bit with a 2002 Ford Focus, although the car lasted me 165K miles.

The model was introduced in 2000 and restyled in 2005 - although it didn't really change until 2008.

So I was in the third model year

But there were parts that they upgraded but didn't figure out until 2004 or so (TPS), then they quit making the 2002 Parts, so if you had a 2004 or up, you got the better TPS, but if your 2002 failed, you essentially had to get a different throttle body.

Then there ware parts that were better on the 2000-2001 cars (metal valve covers, tougher thermostat housing), that they figured out how to make cheaper and lower quality by 2002.

That said, I think cars are a lot more stable now than they used to be - i.e. the RB Accent was introduced in 2012, mine is a 2016, the 2018 will be a re-design. From 2012 to 2017, the major changes were:
- Radio went from black letters on blue background to blue letters on black background.
- Taillights and grille changed slightly, but you really have to have an Accent to notice (I think the old parts will bolt onto the new model and vice-versa).
- Headlights got LED DRL accents (no pun intended) on the Sport/Style models.
- Some shuffling of the option packages and what you can and can't combine on the car.
Yo yo...TH. ~cracking up~ 'You pays your money?' You're starting to sound younger. Maybe the Mrs is the one to thank with whatever she has you doing/interesting in

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