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Old 12-28-2010, 01:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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My opinion and impression... I just traded my Limited for an EX Optima my comments and observations as to the differences.


<sup>STYLING</sup>
The Sonata is sportier while the Optima is geared for what I think is a more mature crowd as is visible with the styling cues and softer lines. I personally think the front of the Optima is a bit chunky and blockish and the 3/4 view the hind quarter are a bit thick like the Lexus GS. The belt line of the Sonata is free flowing and more stylish than the Optima. Also the view front the inside mirrors and windows are better in the Sonata due to these factors.

<sup>EXTERIOR FIT AND FINISH</sup>
Optima is one up. Doors close with a solid thud on the Optima while my Limited clanked a bit like a cheaper car does. The exterior door panels would bulge outward when closing the door hard on the Limited while the Kia is unmoved and sounds solid while the Limited is clearly audible when slamming the door like passengers love to do. The exterior door handles open better on the Limited while interior handles and door operation are about the same. I do have a complaint on the Kia when releasing the exterior door handle on the rear doors after opening the doors they clank as they release while the Limited never did that. The gaps on the body panels are tighter on the Optima mainly due to more refined Korean build vs Alabama plant I feel. Kia hood has a rubber seal on the front that fills the body line gap and there is a shock to hold the hood.

<sup>INTERIOR FIT AND FINISH</sup>
Interior I prefer the Limited styling. The optima does have softer finish and the plastic are less cheap feeling and appearance shows better build quality. I had some rattles on the Limited not so on the Kia. If I push on any of the interior panels they would creek while the Kia just feels more solid without the noises. Also there is ambient lighting and you can see a lot more thought has gone into it. The leather feels real rather the the Limited's plastic look and feel on the seats. There are perforations in the seats which are nice rather then the embossed pattern of the Limited. Heated cooled seats are nice and they is a soft on feature when turning on the fans rather than instant on. The limited is on up in the door lock area as I feel they activate softer while you can hear the stronger click on the Kia. Kia has a nice feature that when your in close proximity to the car the interior lights come on. Also the seat moved back on the Kia for easy entry and exit. I am not a large guy so I'm hoping to figure out how to disable this feature as there is too much room for me and I can't reach the pedals to start the car. Not sure if this is programmable or able to turn off. Kia memory seats both sides panoramic roof. Only the sliding part is glass the surrounding area is polycarbonate. I think its better this way its lighter and more durable and no worries if you have a roof rack for skis and damage any parts of the roof say cracking the glass or chipping it. Interior noise is less in the Kia but could use so dampening in the rear quarters as stated the panels are larger and I'm sure transmit more noise from the rear wheel wells.

<sup>DRIVING</sup>
Kia has a more planted and solid feel driving it. It doesn't hop over bumps like my limited did. Also around swooping freeway corners I felt the rear go light on the Limited while the Optima was planted. This might be attributed to the added weight of the optima and certainly the different dampening of the suspension. The suspension is very smooth and comparable to my last Benz E class while I would equate the Limited to lesser class car. The transmission is smoother on the Kia and shifts quicker. There is definitely different programing as I feel and see the shifts take place at different times than the limited. I feel the car is quicker and smooth however the but dyno is most likely different than a true dyno. The Kia does have dual exhaust so Im sure there are 2-3hp more but the car is some 175lbs heaver than the limited and 2-3hp do not compensate for this as you read the data on paper. But I feel the transmission behavior coupled with the the added power give an overall feeling of compensation for the added weight Kia just feels better to me the Limited felt slower and less responsive. The transmission would kick down more on the Limited while the Kia pulls again probably due to ratios and programing on the Kia trans. One complaint is the stability program comes on sooner probably to soon while on the limited I never felt it in use. Test used was parking lot 30-40mph sudden lane change maneuvers left and right. Hopefully a software update will come out for this like the steering one did for the Sonata. By which the Kia felt better in terms of the ratio of assistance both high and low speed.

I've read many reviews on both cars and in all actuality I was going on a mission to trade for a Limited Turbo. The Hyundai dealers are still playing the I got what you want game and feeling the high of great sales these past months. The Kia dealers are almost all in bad areas and just happy to sell cars and have a decent product. Just noticed Kia is more focused on volume sales at this early stage and sell more LX ( GLS comparable) cars then EX (Limited comparable) cars as the EX are just dripping in versus being able to enjoy a lot more LX's and moving them. Hyundai I've notice stand on the GLS's as lots are full and are focused on more fully equipped cars.

The Kia just had more options for less money not to mention a 1k rebate plus this particular Kia dealer willingness to discount while Hyundai would not sell me a Turbo at a discount and others did not return my calls.

My deals is as follows

Previous purchase:

2011 Limited Navi purchased for 25,759.00, MSRP 28,115
Tax 1,666.22
Lease acquisition 595
Document fee 50
Lic, title, reg 132.55
terms were 36month lease zero down, 1st payment due at signing 448.27 followed by 35 addition payments each month
I owed 26k on lease after 7months
Trade-in was $23k

I had 7k miles on the dot after they test drove it. A week before someone hit the rear bumper while it was parked and a 3ft wide by 2inch section had some scuffing past the paint down to plastic slightly less visible on pacific blue but noticeable. I carried a 3k deficit between lease payout and trade-in value, The 1k rebate helped with that and I reasoned about another 600 if I would have paid for the bumper to be repainted. Leaving about 1500 to get me into a new car.

New purchase:

2011 Optima EX paid just under 23949.2, MSRP 25,440.
Tax 72.34 (Texas you only pay difference in tax if higher value car)
Title reg fees 108.80
Lease acquisition fee 595
Doc fee 195
They gave me 1k rebate. (500 customer cash plus 500 loyalty bonus)
trade in carry over deficit 3015

My lease payment dropped $42 per month and saved 13% on my 6month insurance premium when I switched cars on the policy.

I am still tier 1 credit although the rates are the same for tier 1 and 2.

I was moving back to Cali and was doing the final deal on the same day as I was leaving. I'm sure a few hours more I could of gotten a better deal but for a few hundred I was pressed to hit the road before the storm blowing in. The sales mgr was great it always the finance guy that gets you. I buy a new car ever couple of years and I don't know anybody that can figure these contracts out. I did the math on the sales numbers with residuals, sale price, trade price and finance fee's. The payment came out the same on contract although numbers were altered slightly

Overall I am happy to get more car for less money and trade a 7k mile car for a new one and have a smaller payment.

This was my lease trade, a purchase-financing deal will probably yield different numbers and the evaluation of the financial reasoning between the 2 cars would make for a more difficult decision. For me with zero down lease and the numbers yielded a green light for the swap not to mention previous bad dealer experience trying to get the 1st year production nuances fixed which is was not able to.

Perhaps someone can chime in and evaluate the deal and give a thumbs up or down on the deal?
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Old 12-28-2010, 02:11 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Traitor!

lol, only joking

but I do have to disagree with you on the styling, the optima looks sportier while the sonata is more luxurious looking, in my opinion.

another thing to note is that i feel as though your reivew was biased toward build quality, im sure if the sonata was built in the same place as the optima they would perform just as well.. i for one wish my sonata was built in korea becuase as you said, they have a more refined plant

As for your deal i must say you've done really well, more features for less money is the bottom line here and i also feel as though hyundai dealerships have become cocky due to their recent success.. give it a few months though, and the playing field with kia vs hyundai will level out and the prices will become similar once again.

Thats my two cents
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Old 12-28-2010, 02:42 AM   #4 (permalink)
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any pics ? would love to see it.

where did you make this deal ? 23k is a pretty darn good deal and they gave u a decent trade in price. the EX comes with navi right ?

I was seriously considering the kia optima but after taking 2nd and 3rd looks, it comes in similar in size as the sonata and I just need something with presence and size. I'm just so used to it and mid size is just not cutting it.

QUOTE (lexluther @ Dec 28 2010, 01:54 AM)
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My opinion and impression... I just traded my Limited for an EX Optima my comments and observations as to the differences.


<sup>STYLING</sup>
The Sonata is sportier while the Optima is geared for what I think is a more mature crowd as is visible with the styling cues and softer lines. I personally think the front of the Optima is a bit chunky and blockish and the 3/4 view the hind quarter are a bit thick like the Lexus GS. The belt line of the Sonata is free flowing and more stylish than the Optima. Also the view front the inside mirrors and windows are better in the Sonata due to these factors.

<sup>EXTERIOR FIT AND FINISH</sup>
Optima is one up. Doors close with a solid thud on the Optima while my Limited clanked a bit like a cheaper car does. The exterior door panels would bulge outward when closing the door hard on the Limited while the Kia is unmoved and sounds solid while the Limited is clearly audible when slamming the door like passengers love to do. The exterior door handles open better on the Limited while interior handles and door operation are about the same. I do have a complaint on the Kia when releasing the exterior door handle on the rear doors after opening the doors they clank as they release while the Limited never did that. The gaps on the body panels are tighter on the Optima mainly due to more refined Korean build vs Alabama plant I feel. Kia hood has a rubber seal on the front that fills the body line gap and there is a shock to hold the hood.

<sup>INTERIOR FIT AND FINISH</sup>
Interior I prefer the Limited styling. The optima does have softer finish and the plastic are less cheap feeling and appearance shows better build quality. I had some rattles on the Limited not so on the Kia. If I push on any of the interior panels they would creek while the Kia just feels more solid without the noises. Also there is ambient lighting and you can see a lot more thought has gone into it. The leather feels real rather the the Limited's plastic look and feel on the seats. There are perforations in the seats which are nice rather then the embossed pattern of the Limited. Heated cooled seats are nice and they is a soft on feature when turning on the fans rather than instant on. The limited is on up in the door lock area as I feel they activate softer while you can hear the stronger click on the Kia. Kia has a nice feature that when your in close proximity to the car the interior lights come on. Also the seat moved back on the Kia for easy entry and exit. I am not a large guy so I'm hoping to figure out how to disable this feature as there is too much room for me and I can't reach the pedals to start the car. Not sure if this is programmable or able to turn off. Kia memory seats both sides panoramic roof. Only the sliding part is glass the surrounding area is polycarbonate. I think its better this way its lighter and more durable and no worries if you have a roof rack for skis and damage any parts of the roof say cracking the glass or chipping it. Interior noise is less in the Kia but could use so dampening in the rear quarters as stated the panels are larger and I'm sure transmit more noise from the rear wheel wells.

<sup>DRIVING</sup>
Kia has a more planted and solid feel driving it. It doesn't hop over bumps like my limited did. Also around swooping freeway corners I felt the rear go light on the Limited while the Optima was planted. This might be attributed to the added weight of the optima and certainly the different dampening of the suspension. The suspension is very smooth and comparable to my last Benz E class while I would equate the Limited to lesser class car. The transmission is smoother on the Kia and shifts quicker. There is definitely different programing as I feel and see the shifts take place at different times than the limited. I feel the car is quicker and smooth however the but dyno is most likely different than a true dyno. The Kia does have dual exhaust so Im sure there are 2-3hp more but the car is some 175lbs heaver than the limited and 2-3hp do not compensate for this as you read the data on paper. But I feel the transmission behavior coupled with the the added power give an overall feeling of compensation for the added weight Kia just feels better to me the Limited felt slower and less responsive. The transmission would kick down more on the Limited while the Kia pulls again probably due to ratios and programing on the Kia trans. One complaint is the stability program comes on sooner probably to soon while on the limited I never felt it in use. Test used was parking lot 30-40mph sudden lane change maneuvers left and right. Hopefully a software update will come out for this like the steering one did for the Sonata. By which the Kia felt better in terms of the ratio of assistance both high and low speed.

I've read many reviews on both cars and in all actuality I was going on a mission to trade for a Limited Turbo. The Hyundai dealers are still playing the I got what you want game and feeling the high of great sales these past months. The Kia dealers are almost all in bad areas and just happy to sell cars and have a decent product. Just noticed Kia is more focused on volume sales at this early stage and sell more LX ( GLS comparable) cars then EX (Limited comparable) cars as the EX are just dripping in versus being able to enjoy a lot more LX's and moving them. Hyundai I've notice stand on the GLS's as lots are full and are focused on more fully equipped cars.

The Kia just had more options for less money not to mention a 1k rebate plus this particular Kia dealer willingness to discount while Hyundai would not sell me a Turbo at a discount and others did not return my calls.

My deals is as follows

Previous purchase:

2011 Limited Navi purchased for 25,759.00, MSRP 28,115
Tax 1,666.22
Lease acquisition 595
Document fee 50
Lic, title, reg 132.55
terms were 36month lease zero down, 1st payment due at signing 448.27 followed by 35 addition payments each month
I owed 26k on lease after 7months
Trade-in was $23k

I had 7k miles on the dot after they test drove it. A week before someone hit the rear bumper while it was parked and a 3ft wide by 2inch section had some scuffing past the paint down to plastic slightly less visible on pacific blue but noticeable. I carried a 3k deficit between lease payout and trade-in value, The 1k rebate helped with that and I reasoned about another 600 if I would have paid for the bumper to be repainted. Leaving about 1500 to get me into a new car.

New purchase:

2011 Optima EX paid just under 23949.2, MSRP 25,440.
Tax 72.34 (Texas you only pay difference in tax if higher value car)
Title reg fees 108.80
Lease acquisition fee 595
Doc fee 195
They gave me 1k rebate. (500 customer cash plus 500 loyalty bonus)
trade in carry over deficit 3015

My lease payment dropped $42 per month and saved 13% on my 6month insurance premium when I switched cars on the policy.

I am still tier 1 credit although the rates are the same for tier 1 and 2.

I was moving back to Cali and was doing the final deal on the same day as I was leaving. I'm sure a few hours more I could of gotten a better deal but for a few hundred I was pressed to hit the road before the storm blowing in. The sales mgr was great it always the finance guy that gets you. I buy a new car ever couple of years and I don't know anybody that can figure these contracts out. I did the math on the sales numbers with residuals, sale price, trade price and finance fee's. The payment came out the same on contract although numbers were altered slightly

Overall I am happy to get more car for less money and trade a 7k mile car for a new one and have a smaller payment.

This was my lease trade, a purchase-financing deal will probably yield different numbers and the evaluation of the financial reasoning between the 2 cars would make for a more difficult decision. For me with zero down lease and the numbers yielded a green light for the swap not to mention previous bad dealer experience trying to get the 1st year production nuances fixed which is was not able to.

Perhaps someone can chime in and evaluate the deal and give a thumbs up or down on the deal?
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Thanks for the comparison and hope you enjoy your Optima.
I do agree with you that Hyundai dealers are enjoying their sales and are playing hard ball on their deals.
It sounds like you got the premium package (pan roof) but not the tech package (nav,camera) which probably accounts for the lower lease payment and lower insurance premiums.
Kia Optima XE with premium and Tech package MSRP $27,440.
Since your Liminted had nav ,its hard to say that you got more car for less.
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We got our first 2 Optima's last week and I definitely don't disagree with your decision. The interior is much, much more luxurious compared to our car. What color did you get? We got a dark cherry EX and that car looked so much more expensive than it was.

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QUOTE (dynamike @ Dec 28 2010, 03:57 AM)
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Thanks for the comparison and hope you enjoy your Optima.
I do agree with you that Hyundai dealers are enjoying their sales and are playing hard ball on their deals.
It sounds like you got the premium package (pan roof) but not the tech package (nav,camera) which probably accounts for the lower lease payment and lower insurance premiums.
Kia Optima XE with premium and Tech package MSRP $27,440.
Since your Liminted had nav ,its hard to say that you got more car for less.
As I was reading the post I thought the same thing. No Nav saves 2K give or take and that would lower ones payment. This is not an apples to apples comparo as far as pricing is concerned. I just looked at the Uvo system that Kia is offering on the Optima early next year and it looks as if that feature wont be available with in dash navigation. It is an either or type of deal which I think is a mistake.
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Thanks for the comparison and hope you enjoy your Optima.
I do agree with you that Hyundai dealers are enjoying their sales and are playing hard ball on their deals.
It sounds like you got the premium package (pan roof) but not the tech package (nav,camera) which probably accounts for the lower lease payment and lower insurance premiums.
Kia Optima XE with premium and Tech package MSRP $27,440.
Since your Liminted had nav ,its hard to say that you got more car for less.
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Uvo...thats another thing the optima has but the sonata is lacking, along with the pano roof, led, stitching, heated steering wheel.. WTF HYUNDAI?!?! one can only hope they can port Uvo over to the 2012 sonatas
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QUOTE (kton @ Dec 28 2010, 06:25 PM)
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Uvo...thats another thing the optima has but the sonata is lacking, along with the pano roof, led, stitching, heated steering wheel.. WTF HYUNDAI?!?! one can only hope they can port Uvo over to the 2012 sonatas

can this be added possibly with a firmware upgrade?
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