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Question Tucson Sport: 5" -> 8" OEM Headunit Upgrade?

I recently purchased a 2017 Sport (US model, 1.6, AWD). Loving just about everything about the vehicle besides the smallish 5' touchscreen display. I'm trying to figure out what my options would be for a larger replacement.

1. Can the 5' unit found in the lower trim 6 speaker models be hot swapped for the 8' OEM unit found in the 8 speaker limited models whilst retaining functionality (E.g. steering/dash button, gauge, Bluetooth, voice command controls)? If so, how much should I expect to pay for a replacement unit (USD), and where would I locate one for purchase?

2. If the option above is not possible without extensive mods, or is determined to be too cost prohibitive, what aftermarket alternatives are available (while also retaining stock button control, media, and camera functionality)?

I should note that I am not overly concerned with navigation functionality, but rather maintaining existing music, media, and backup camera functions with additional screen real estate. Primary media device would be a Android smartphone (Axon 7, Marshmallow). I am willing to purchase pre-made wiring harnesses or surrounding trim to accommodate a larger screen and simplify hookup. More advanced installation requirements (wire/fuse soldering, board/capacitor/electronic module upgrades) will likely be out of my league, although a wire splice here or there is not out of the question.

Any information regarding these options is appreciated.
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I think OEM Nav is 1400$/€ including installation.

I got base model and installed Chinese Android 5.1 Nav with rear camera (400$)/360 view camera system (110$) and am quite happy with it.

It has ok amp and if you exchange all of the 6 terrible stock speakers (Focal Auditor 165 series 150$/JBL 600 series 200$) you get really good sound.

If you are that kind of guy you could add subwoofer which I also might do if I change my musical preferences to hip hop or EDM (highly unlikely but you never know).
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I think OEM Nav is 1400$/ including installation.

I got base model and installed Chinese Android 5.1 Nav with rear camera (400$)/360 view camera system (110$) and am quite happy with it.

It has ok amp and if you exchange all of the 6 terrible stock speakers (Focal Auditor 165 series 150$/JBL 600 series 200$) you get really good sound.

If you are that kind of guy you could add subwoofer which I also might do if I change my musical preferences to hip hop or EDM (highly unlikely but you never know).
Thanks for the reply. Do you have a model number/link for the unit you purchased? Was this this a direct plug and play install (unplug old, plug in new)? Did this unit retain your stock button/Bluetooth/backup camera functionality?
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I had one of those chinese android head unit's in my last car, i hated it. It only allowed bluetooth streaming, so you have to change apps and playlists on your phone manually and you couldn't see what song was playing, so you always had to pick up your phone and unlock the screen. It was incredibly annoying and had poor sound as well as really poor radio reception. Eventually i gave up and went with a Pioneer 4200nex which has android auto and apple carplay. I used an ASWC1 to retain steering wheel controls. I use apple carplay, but android should be similar.

On mine, i can control spotify or apple music from the head unit. I can browse playlists and see what's playing on the screen. Also, there is no delay in skipping to the next song like there is over bluetooth. I can also switch to maps and use it for navigation, and the unit dictates text messages so i never have to look at the phone. The sound quality from the pioneer is worlds apart better than the cheap chinese android head unit.

When i pick up my tucson, i'm going to move the head unit over and install it using the Metra dash kit.

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I had one of those chinese android head unit's in my last car, i hated it. It only allowed bluetooth streaming, so you have to change apps and playlists on your phone manually and you couldn't see what song was playing, so you always had to pick up your phone and unlock the screen. It was incredibly annoying and had poor sound as well as really poor radio reception. Eventually i gave up and went with a Pioneer 4200nex which has android auto and apple carplay. I used an ASWC1 to retain steering wheel controls. I use apple carplay, but android should be similar.

On mine, i can control spotify or apple music from the head unit. I can browse playlists and see what's playing on the screen. Also, there is no delay in skipping to the next song like there is over bluetooth. I can also switch to maps and use it for navigation, and the unit dictates text messages so i never have to look at the phone. The sound quality from the pioneer is worlds apart better than the cheap chinese android head unit.

When i pick up my tucson, i'm going to move the head unit over and install it using the Metra dash kit.
Thanks for the reply. Did you need any additional modifications to get it to work in your Tucson? Any tips regrading the install process? I'm looking for something I can hook up to the factory harness, or order a harness adapter if necessary. I want to make sure all the stock car buttons, knobs, and controls work with the new unit as they do stock.
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I haven't picked up my Tucson yet, just a potential buyer. I'm waiting until december to purchase because businesses want to sell as much inventory as they can before the start of the new year.

But i've installed a million head units for myself and friends vehicles. On my current toyota, all the steering wheel buttons work the same as they do on the factory radio, aside from the bluetooth call hangup and answer. But skip, mute, volume up and down etc.... work just fine. These are the ASWC-1 install instructions for the tucson, so i'm assuming it'll work the same. http://www.metraonline.com/files/asw...1_INST_401.pdf

These are the available parts for the tucson http://metraonline.com/vfgapi/vehicle/256005? , you'll need dash kit 95-7369B, the AWSC-1, and harness 70-7304. I'm assuming since it's 6 speakers, it won't have a factory amplifier which would make this the right harness. If your car has a factory amp, you'll need one of the other harnesses listed. It's pretty simple to wire, you just match the colors of the metra harness to the harness of your aftermarket radio and solder them together and use shrink wrap. You'll then need to splice the 2 wires for the steering wheel controls into your factory harness, a product called posi-tap works well for this. The power wires for the steering wheel controls can be soldered in with the aftermarket harness mentioned earlier.

If you feel unsure about your skills, you can have BEST BUY do it. If you buy the radio there, they don't charge very much to install it. They'll order the dash kit for your car, and i'm sure they already have the AWSC-1 and wire harness in stock.

I use apple carplay every day. I have a 1.5 hour commute 1 way, so 3 hours total per day. Works great for dictating text messages and playing music, as well as browsing playlists in spotify and apple music without ever lifting up my phone(which is illegal). You can go on youtube to see a demonstation of android auto. Or they actually have cables dangling from the head units at best buy, you can bring your phone in and try it out yourself.

One of the other things my pioneer does is allows me to play video files from an SD card( 256GB ) i loaded with kids movies, back to a rear headrest monitor for my son. Priceless on long road trips.
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I got something like this

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/WITS...7-46f86912ab74

It came with all the harnesses and I could mount it in less than an hour.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Car-...8-dd8e2d026c7a

Rear camera was 10$, easy install of 1 cable because interior trim is mostly clipped...

It looks like OEM and all steering wheel buttons are working. However, you lose voice control (or I haven't figured it out) but it is sth I never used anyway.

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But if we were able to obtain OEM, would it be plug and play, or modifications needed? I assume there could be a missing GPS wire?
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No, looking at the schematics, Connectors A and B are the same, but the pinouts are different because the NAV unit has an Amp with a SPDIF input, as opposed to the analog output of the base HU. Connector C is for the backup camera and is 16 pins on the base HU and 24pin with extra CANbus wires on the nav unit. It's DOABLE, but you need someone who knows what they're doing, it would be a hack job for sure.

I'd go aftermarket, i'm about to put my Pioneer 4200nex in when i get the parts. I plan on retaining the factory USB port, steering wheel controls, and factory microphone. Eventually i'll get the factory backup camera working as well, i just need to figure out what connector i need.
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No, looking at the schematics, Connectors A and B are the same, but the pinouts are different because the NAV unit has an Amp with a SPDIF input, as opposed to the analog output of the base HU. Connector C is for the backup camera and is 16 pins on the base HU and 24pin with extra CANbus wires on the nav unit. It's DOABLE, but you need someone who knows what they're doing, it would be a hack job for sure.

I'd go aftermarket, i'm about to put my Pioneer 4200nex in when i get the parts. I plan on retaining the factory USB port, steering wheel controls, and factory microphone. Eventually i'll get the factory backup camera working as well, i just need to figure out what connector i need.
Waiting for a good write up on this myself. It looks like that by going with the aftermarket dash kit you lose the whole top stack of illuminated buttons, plus the volume/tuning knobs. The dash kit looks to only come in black as well, meaning we will lose one of the few silver cabin accents. Regarding OEM, my local east coast US dealer stated a switch isn't possible, as the Limited unit has a completely different harness and bracket. If you search google for "Metra Hyundai Tucson Dash Kit" you should find a official metra video showing details of the dash kit and harnesses needed. I personally would still prefer going OEM, as to not lose the button/knobs/accent color. It's just a matter of finding someone who can figure out how to splice everything up (tap connectors?) well enough to get it functioning (easier said than done).

On another note, is there any way we can get access to the the schematics you speak of?

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