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Old 04-23-2010, 09:27 AM   #11 (permalink)
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QUOTE (Philora @ Apr 23 2010, 08:38 AM)
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I have a 2007 Hyundai Sante Fe AWD. The inside of the front tires are totally worn down after 35k miles on the Bridgestone Duelers. I have my tires rotated about every 5000 miles and had my last alignment was 5000 miles ago as well. I replaced the tires with new tires this week and brought it back to the dealer to do the alignment and have them 'look' more closely at the problem. They said the alignment for the front was fine and the back camber was only slightly off.

Mine is a early 2007 Hyundai Sante Fe and I think it was the first model with the new styling. Is it possibly a defect in the design? I have searched other boards and people discuss problems with bad ball joints, front wheel drive housing.

Any thoughts or other people with the same problem?
There are stories circulating about the Santa Fe's need for wheel alignments, as well as its appetite for stabilizer links and some other front-end parts (I've had a couple of minor warranty claims myself). But it's hard to say if this is statistically significant or just random luck. 10 or 20 people ranting about their problems sounds compelling until you realize that they represent maybe 0.01% of all Santa Fe owners.

Just a thought: If it took 35,000 miles to wear down those crappy Bridgestones on one edge, you haven't been cheated out of much. Now that you've had an alignment done and replaced the tires, I'd say keep up the regular rotations and don't stew too much over minor misalignments. Tires aren't forever.
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Old 04-23-2010, 10:21 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Ditto Don67. If you got 35K out of those original Bridgestones, you got what most of us here would say is typical mileage out of them, and now you can move on to a decent tire.

Fair to assume it was handling OK before the swap?
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Old 04-23-2010, 12:22 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I think you mean DIRECTIONAL tires, not ROTATIONAL tires. All tires are rotational.

If you have DIRECTIONAL tires, then yes, they must stay on the same side. You can only rotate front to back on the same side.

If you have non-directional tires then you should rotate them as the book says. For a FWD car that means crossing the rears when going to the front and move the fronts to the back on the same side. For a RWD car it's the opposite. Basically you always cross the non-driven wheels and keep the driven wheels on the same side when rotating.



That is a myth and totally incorrect.

http://www.motortrend.com/features/car_car...more_facts.html


http://newcarbuyingguide.com/index.php/new...2295/event=view
I agree. While training for Goodyear (many years ago!) they explained that this may have been a contributor in early radial failures (late 1960's) but not in the modern radial. The last "wave" of tread separation failure was the old '721' by Firestone, back in the '70's, which was caused by inferior steel corroding beneath the tread rubber from moisture penetration. It was actually a decent tire design for the day, but was sunk by bad materials!

Unless the tire is marked "Directional", (arrows on the sidewall, etc.) cross away!

We always were told to cross to the drive wheels, so a tire that's changing direction would be coming from a non load-stressed wheel (we crossed to the rear on rear wheel drive, and crossed to the front on front wheel drive) but I don't think it really matters.

This what Tire-rack and the Tire and Rim Association have to say:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/tec...e.jsp?techid=43


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We always were told to cross to the drive wheels, so a tire that's changing direction would be coming from a non load-stressed wheel (we crossed to the rear on rear wheel drive, and crossed to the front on front wheel drive) but I don't think it really matters.

This what Tire-rack and the Tire and Rim Association have to say:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/tec...e.jsp?techid=43
That's all fine and dandy but the Hyundai owners manual say to cross the rears, not the front wheels:

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That's all fine and dandy but the Hyundai owners manual say to cross the rears, not the front wheels:

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I don't think it matters a heckuva a lot, as long as the tires spend equal time at all four corners of the vehicle.
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That's all fine and dandy but the Hyundai owners manual say to cross the rears, not the front wheels:

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The manual shows crossing to the drive wheels, does it not? That's what I said. I think you misunderstood what I wrote. I agree with you.
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The manual shows crossing to the drive wheels, does it not? That's what I said. I think you misunderstood what I wrote. I agree with you.
No, it doesn't. The picture shows the arrow pointing up meaning the front wheels are the top 2 wheels and the rear wheels are the bottom 2. Since it's FWD, the top wheels are the drive wheels. And the picture clearly shows crossing the rear (non-driven) wheels.
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No, it doesn't. The picture shows the arrow pointing up meaning the front wheels are the top 2 wheels and the rear wheels are the bottom 2. Since it's FWD, the top wheels are the drive wheels. And the picture clearly shows crossing the rear (non-driven) wheels.
Dude, that's the same image that I posted (check the right most diagram "C"). Crossing to the drive wheels means that you take the non-drive wheels and cross them as you put them on the drive wheels. That means that the wheels in the rear get crossed as you put them on the front. Hence crossing to the drive wheels. Like I said, I agreed with you!

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You are correct. I didn't see the "to" in there. My bad. Cross the non-driven to the driven.
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