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Old 11-16-2011, 12:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Just curious what you guys are doing for PSF-4 fluid, I called Valvoline directly (as they supply hyundai with the fluid, according to MSDS sheets) and they said that Hyundai owns all the rights, and buys 100% of the stock, and they are not allowed to sell this product at the retail level

Just curious what you guys are doing, or if anyone has found an equvilant product that is speced for it

How often are people flushing this?, for maximum pump and rack life

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Old 11-16-2011, 01:35 PM   #2 (permalink)
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In 30+ years of driving I have never flushed a power steering system and never replaced a part in one either.

I suppose however new technology doesn't necessarily mean better.
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unfortunetly modern power steering systems are doing more with less, higher pressures, temperture, less fluid, and more complex, and suceptable materials

The old systems carries as much as 2 liters of fluid, and everything was metal, and silicon seals....very durable. Things now have more plastic, and what not and are more prone, and get contaiminated easier due to less fluid to deal with the contaimination

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You can buy quart bottle of PSF-4 at Kia,, price is better I think than the small bottles of Hyundai..

You may be able to order the Kia bottle part number at Hyundai,, as I had typed it into 1 of the parts sites in past, and it came up with correct descrition and price,,, parts come out same depot here in my region.. Just hit a dealer in the Niagra Falls/Buffalo NY area if close enough.
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Does the accent come with psf-3 or psf-4. My 2011 owners manual says psf-3. There is a kia tsb that claims the two are not compatable together and you must completely drain a psf-3 system before adding psf-4.

The kia tsb also states the psf-4 fluid is green. is the hyundai psf-4 also green? One could just look at your color to determine if you have 3 or 4.
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You can buy quart bottle of PSF-4 at Kia,, price is better I think than the small bottles of Hyundai..

You may be able to order the Kia bottle part number at Hyundai,, as I had typed it into 1 of the parts sites in past, and it came up with correct descrition and price,,, parts come out same depot here in my region.. Just hit a dealer in the Niagra Falls/Buffalo NY area if close enough.
My local KIA dealer sells the quart bottle of PSF-4 for $26.00.
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Does the accent come with psf-3 or psf-4. My 2011 owners manual says psf-3. There is a kia tsb that claims the two are not compatable together and you must completely drain a psf-3 system before adding psf-4.

The kia tsb also states the psf-4 fluid is green. is the hyundai psf-4 also green? One could just look at your color to determine if you have 3 or 4.
I saw a similar TSB somewhere on hmaservice as well about the interchangability (or lack thereof.) I have PSF3 on mine accoring to the owner's manual. I don't know what to do if it ever needs topping off since I suspect PSF3 availability might be an issue (aside from paying a dealer to flush...).

I still have the original fluid in mine...
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Just to add to the confusion:

My owners manual for my 2011 accent calls for psf-3

My local Hyundai dealer syas they haven't had psf-3 in years and that Hyundai started using psf-4 in all new cars. My 2011 is pretty new and calls for psf-3.

psf-4 is green and semi-synthetic. psf-3 is suppose to be conventional ps fluid
and is clear/amber/yellow.

So I dipped a q-tip into my ps fluid and it's red/pink..



So is this psf-3 dyed red? Or is it atf sp3? Why would hyundai sill use psf-3 in
new cars if the dealer only carries psf-4 and you have to do a complete flush..
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Well this adds a whole new confusion to it, I bet it probably SPIII tranny fluid, this wouldn't suprise me as more manufactures have been doing this for years

I talked to my buddy who is a parts manager at hyundai, PSF-4 is $15 a liter (wholesale)

My manual says use PSF-4 only, but I am in canada and apparently PSF-4 fixes the stiff steering when cold, because apparently southern ontario gets colder than North Michigan

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8yr Hyundai service, never seen a bottle of "3".. just regular stuff from part store (clear)..

The "4" came about with the 2006 Sonata/Azera,, the "4" as noted is a synthetic or synthetic based (green and smelly),, not all model use it either,, so refer to owner manual for specified fluid type.
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