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Old 01-24-2010, 12:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Just bought an 08 Sonata GLS 2.4L with a little over 27,000 miles on it. The drive home was a dream -- smooth ride and handled beautifully. Or it was until we got to our snowpacked gravel driveway, and we got stuck. ESC light came on, but our tires just spun. After trying for about five minutes, hubby put car in park and shoveled around the tires, hoping to give it more traction. When he got back into the car, it wouldn't shift into Reverse, and he had to use the Shift Lock Release. We finally had to tow the car into our driveway, and once it was on a more level surface, we were able to drive it in the rest of the way. When trying to move the car again, it got stuck again, and then the shift control locked up again (until pressing the Shift Lock Release).

Is it possible that there's a problem with the ESC that's causing us to get stuck in the snow, or might we need new tires? The tires look like they're the originals -- enough tread to be legal, but definitely not new. I already know that needing to press the Shift Lock Release means I need to take it into the dealer to have it checked, and I'm going to do that tomorrow. I was just wondering if the two problems might be related.

Hubby and I both fell in love with our new (to us) car on the way home, and I'm hoping this is just a small glitch that won't change that, and not a long-term problem that will cause me to pull my hair out.
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Old 01-24-2010, 12:26 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Hi Mama. We have a Mama already! Some people turn off the ESC in the Snow, but the Shift Lock thing is another

story, and you will want to take it to a Dealer. Did you have a Mechanic check the Car before purchase?
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Hi Mama. We have a Mama already! Some people turn off the ESC in the Snow, but the Shift Lock thing is another

story, and you will want to take it to a Dealer. Did you have a Mechanic check the Car before purchase?
Thanks for the welcome MiamiLX.

I didn't have a mechanic check it out before purchase, but it was a Certified Used Vehicle and had a good CarFax report.

What's the purpose for turning off the ESC in the snow?
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Old 01-24-2010, 01:31 PM   #4 (permalink)
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They claim better traction with it off. Certified is good. I didn't know they were still backing that program.

So you bought from a Hyundai Dealer then, and they will help you!
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The ESC light will flicker when the system sensing the wheels are turning in too much of different speeds, so driving in snow and having the ESC turn on is natural. I would NOT set the ESC off, unless you are REALLY stuck in deep snow. Also, shift the lever to [b]1st gear when trying to dig out of deep snow or mud!. I SUSPECT that you didn't do that and the transmission did somethings it doesn't like doing, shifting to higher gears while the wheels spinning....

In general, don't expect the ESC (or the ABS) to save you when you're driving in deep snow. This is not an AWD (all wheel drive) SUV......

The tires you have are good overall, all season tires. They are NOT made for driving in deep snow.

Check your car again in the morning after the car and the transmission cooled down. If all is back to normal, good. If you still need to use the Shift Lock Release --- have the dealer take care of it (and DON'T tell him your mishap in the deep snow........................)

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The ESC light will flicker when the system sensing the wheels are turning in too much of different speeds, so driving in snow and having the ESC turn on is natural. I would NOT set the ESC off, unless you are REALLY stuck in deep snow. Also, shift the lever to [b]1st gear when trying to dig out of deep snow or mud!. I SUSPECT that you didn't do that and the transmission did somethings it doesn't like doing, shifting to higher gears while the wheels spinning....

In general, don't expect the ESC (or the ABS) to save you when you're driving in deep snow. This is not an AWD (all wheel drive) SUV......

The tires you have are good overall, all season tires. They are NOT made for driving in deep snow.

Check your car again in the morning after the car and the transmission cooled down. If all is back to normal, good. If you still need to use the Shift Lock Release --- have the dealer take care of it (and DON'T tell him your mishap in the deep snow........................)

That's from one Mama to another
Trying to get unstuck from deep snow/mud in 1st gear, let alone riding on all-seasons? Not in a thousand years driving a Sonata; you would just dig yourself in a big deep hole (the ratio used for the 1st gear in Sonata's gearbox guarantees your wheels will spin like crazy). First of all, there's no substitute for good winter tires, and secondly, although just as important, try shifting to 2nd gear and, very gently, try to get unstuck (if that still doesn't do the trick, try rocking back and forth; that usually helps)
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Trying to get unstuck from deep snow/mud in 1st gear, let alone riding on all-seasons? Not in a thousand years driving a Sonata; you would just dig yourself in a big deep hole (the ratio used for the 1st gear in Sonata's gearbox guarantees your wheels will spin like crazy). First of all, there's no substitute for good winter tires, and secondly, although just as important, try shifting to 2nd gear and, very gently, try to get unstuck (if that still doesn't do the trick, try rocking back and forth; that usually helps)
I agree!!!
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Just bought an 08 Sonata GLS 2.4L with a little over 27,000 miles on it. The drive home was a dream -- smooth ride and handled beautifully. Or it was until we got to our snowpacked gravel driveway, and we got stuck. ESC light came on, but our tires just spun. After trying for about five minutes, hubby put car in park and shoveled around the tires, hoping to give it more traction. When he got back into the car, it wouldn't shift into Reverse, and he had to use the Shift Lock Release. We finally had to tow the car into our driveway, and once it was on a more level surface, we were able to drive it in the rest of the way. When trying to move the car again, it got stuck again, and then the shift control locked up again (until pressing the Shift Lock Release).

Is it possible that there's a problem with the ESC that's causing us to get stuck in the snow, or might we need new tires? The tires look like they're the originals -- enough tread to be legal, but definitely not new. I already know that needing to press the Shift Lock Release means I need to take it into the dealer to have it checked, and I'm going to do that tomorrow. I was just wondering if the two problems might be related.

Hubby and I both fell in love with our new (to us) car on the way home, and I'm hoping this is just a small glitch that won't change that, and not a long-term problem that will cause me to pull my hair out.
This might be the problem:
http://www.hyundai-forums.com/index.php?showtopic=37478
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Vehicle Make / Model: Model Year(s):
HYUNDAI / ACCENT 2006-2007
HYUNDAI / AZERA 2007
HYUNDAI / ELANTRA 2007
HYUNDAI / ENTOURAGE 2006-2007
HYUNDAI / SANTA FE 2007
HYUNDAI / SONATA 2006-2007
HYUNDAI / TUCSON 2005-2007
HYUNDAI / VERACRUZ 2007-2008

Manufacturer: HYUNDAI MOTOR COMPANY Mfr's Report Date: APR 14, 2009
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 09V122000
PE09003

NHTSA Action Number: PE09003

Component: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:SWITCHES:BRAKE LIGHT
Potential Number of Units Affected: 531894

Summary:
HYUNDAI IS RECALLING 531,894 MY 2006-2007 ACCENT, ENTOURAGE, SONATA, MY 2007 AZERA, ELANTRA AND SANTA FE, MY 2005-2007 TUCSON AND MY 2007-2008 VERACRUZ VEHICLES. THE STOP LAMP SWITCH IN THE AFFECTED VEHICLES MAY MALFUNCTION. A MALFUNCTIONING STOP LAMP SWITCH MAY CAUSE THE BRAKE LIGHTS TO NOT ILLUMINATE WHEN THE BRAKE PEDAL IS DEPRESSED OR MAY CAUSE THE BRAKE LIGHTS TO REMAIN ILLUMINATED WHEN THE BRAKE PEDAL IS RELEASED. [b]A STOP LAMP SWITCH MALFUNCTION MAY AFFECT THE OPERATION OF THE BRAKE-TRANSMISSION SHIFT INTERLOCK FEATURE SO THE TRANSMISSION SHIFTER WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE SHIFTED OUT OF PARK POSITION. IT MAY ALSO CAUSE THE ELECTRONIC STABILITY CONTROL (ESC) MALFUNCTION LIGHT TO ILLUMINATE, AND IT MAY NOT DEACTIVATE THE CRUISE CONTROL WHEN THE BRAKE PEDAL IS DEPRESSED.

Consequence:
THESE MALFUNCTIONS MY LEAD TO A CRASH.

Remedy:
DEALERS WILL REPLACE THE STOP LAMP SWITCH FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN DURING APRIL 2009. OWNERS MAY CONTACT HYUNDAI CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE CENTER AT 1-800-633-5151.

Notes:
HYUNDAI RECALL NO. 092. OWNERS MAY ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION'S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), OR GO TO HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV
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Interesting read! had our switch replaced. Took 15 minutes.

As for tires, once you go winters, you'll NEVER go back. HUGE difference! The ESC system is amazing, as well. I have it on all the time, so just for kicks I switched it off one drive, and the difference, even with snow tires, was substantial. I slid all over the place, when accelerating. It's a wonderful system, and I'll never buy another vehicle without it.

[b]Two Mamas??? Lord help this website........ (The God of your choice, to be politically correct.)
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Trying to get unstuck from deep snow/mud in 1st gear, let alone riding on all-seasons? Not in a thousand years driving a Sonata; you would just dig yourself in a big deep hole (the ratio used for the 1st gear in Sonata's gearbox guarantees your wheels will spin like crazy). First of all, there's no substitute for good winter tires, and secondly, although just as important, try shifting to 2nd gear and, very gently, try to get unstuck (if that still doesn't do the trick, try rocking back and forth; that usually helps)
No pro here, but in my book it says that once you get stuck in mud or snow you shift to 1st gear to protect the transmission. That's not a Sonata rule, that's an automatic transmission rule. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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