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Old 05-09-2005, 12:03 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Can anybody share his or her experience with Matrix 1.5 CDRI diesel?

This model was introduced in the Philippines last month and mileage and torque claims are fantastic, up to double what my Matrix 1.6 GLS Auto gets and seemingly without much effort or attention to driving practices.

I test drove a unit briefly but only to feel engine. Not too much vibration at idle and at acceleration, smooth on highway, but is this still true after a year?

Had a full load of passengers, mostly heavyweight (180 to 200 pounds, like me) and take off was effortless.

So, after a year or so with this model in normal to medium service, can someone give me some feedback?

This model has no front seat armrest, no sunglass holder and overhead front reading light console. All models here have no center armrest with beverage holder for rear seat.
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Old 05-09-2005, 09:19 PM   #2 (permalink)
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we dont have this model in S'pore
GB Europe owners anyone?
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Old 05-10-2005, 01:50 AM   #3 (permalink)
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we have this model in egypt but for the 1.6 gasoline ( A-M ) , its trim is called ( LT ) it means its neither a GL trim nor a GLS trim ... its between them !!! and i like this trim very much ... its fantasic !!!
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Old 05-24-2005, 11:56 AM   #4 (permalink)
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[b]Can anybody share his or her experience with Matrix 1.5 CDRI diesel?
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[b]we dont have this model in S'pore
GB Europe owners anyone?
Hi there,

Well, Hyundai has introduced some months ago the new 1.5 CRDI, so there are 2 1.5 CRCi's at the moment on the market.

The old one is 3 valve and has unsatisfactory performance in a Matrix (but is OK for a Getz for example).

The new one 4 valve 1497 SOHC CRDi has 75kw (101-102 hp) is definitely a better choice for a Matrix, I would wait for this one.

Best wishes, Attila
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Old 05-27-2005, 08:56 AM   #5 (permalink)
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[b]The new one 4 valve 1497 SOHC CRDi has 75kw (101-102 hp) is definitely a better choice for a Matrix, I would wait for this one.
I just found additional information about the new one. It is called 1.5 CRDi VGT (Variable Geometry Turbocharger). Acceleration 0-100kmh 14.3s.



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Old 06-12-2005, 11:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I am getting a little confused about the engine fitted to the Hyundai Matrix 1.5CRDI

The glossy brochure I picked up gives the engine type as:-

1.5 CRDI Turbo Intercooler with Variable Geometry Turbocharger (VGT), and then states the Max Power to be - 82Ps @ 4000rpm (60Kw or 80.3bhp), and Max Torque as being 18.8 Kg-m @ 2000rpm (182Nm).

This is 4 valves per cylinder and just 3 cylinders making 12 valves total.
(Bore 83mm x Stroke 92mm x 3 = 1,493cc).

www.carzone.ie

HYUNDAI MATRIX 1.5 CRDI. This data was verified on 10 May 2005

1,493 cc 1.5 litres in-line 3 transverse engine with 83 mm bore, 92 mm
stroke, 17.7 compression ratio, double overhead cam and four valves per cylinder
Turbo compressor
Diesel direct injection fuel system
Diesel fuel
Performance: maximum speed (mph): 99, maximum speed (km/h): 160
and acceleration 0-100 km/h (secs): 17.9
Power: 60 kW , 81 HP EEC @ 4,000 rpm; , 182 Nm @ 2,000 rpm


http://www.motioncars.com/carchart/html/hyundai_matrix.htm (

[b]HYUNDAI MATRIX GL CRDi
List Price P 628,000
Fuel / Octane Diesel
Engine 1.5 DOHC 16V inline-4
Max Output (bhp/rpm) 82 / 4000
Max Torque (Nm / rpm) 178 / 2000
Fuel System Common Rail, Turbo
Fuel Mileage (km/L) 25.0 (manufacturer's data)
Transmission 5-speed MT



So if you think there is a different 1.5l CRDI with VGT giving 75Kw or 102bhp, can you perhaps direct us to where you obtained this information, to verify this?

Cheers

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[b]Hi there,

Well, Hyundai has introduced some months ago the new 1.5 CRDI, so there are 2 1.5 CRCi's at the moment on the market.

The old one is 3 valve and has unsatisfactory performance in a Matrix (but is OK for a Getz for example).

The new one 4 valve 1497 SOHC CRDi has 75kw (101-102 hp) is definitely a better choice for a Matrix, I would wait for this one.

Best wishes, Attila
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Old 06-14-2005, 02:20 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Sorry for the ocnfusion about the engine of the Hyundai Matrix CRDI diesel recently introduced in Manila.

What I test drove was a unit from a branch of Hyundai Auto Resources, Inc. (HARI), and the engine is a 4-cylinder common rail direct injection diesel with turbo intercooler. The engine info taken from motioncars.com is correct.

No, sir; I did not count the number of cylinders or injectors. Only read the specs on display but given the smoothness at idle and while running, could only have been a 4-banger.

I did not know that they put a 3-cylinder diesel in a Matrix; only in a Getz.

So, any feedback on the 4-cylinder CRDI Matrix?



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Old 06-14-2005, 05:59 AM   #8 (permalink)
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[b]So if you think there is a different 1.5l CRDI with VGT giving 75Kw or 102bhp, can you perhaps direct us to where you obtained this information, to verify this?
The new engine was annoanced some months ago also on different car news portals.

the 4 valves 1.5 CRDi is reality. I collected above information from european official Hyundai pages, eg. www.hyundai.at, ge, .sk, .cz, but also from kia pages, as same engine is offered in Kia Cerato for example.

Half a year ago the Matrix was offered still with 3 valve diesel engine also in Europe, that's why I wanted to raise your attention - I know this because that time I was choosing my car, finally an Accent.

Best wishes, Attila
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Old 06-18-2005, 03:18 AM   #9 (permalink)
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It seems to me the 1.5CRDI VGT engine as fitted in the Matrix must be 3 cylinder!

Do the math = pi x bore/2 x bore/2 x stroke x 3 cylinder = 1495cc

All the Specifications gave 4 valves per cylinder - never seen 3 valves x 3 cylinders, 3 cylinders x 4 vales = 12 valve engine. If someone thought it was 4 cylinder, they might have figured 12/4 = 3 vales per pot?

It would seem the 'early' 1.5l CRDI engine in the Matrix only produced 60kW (81bhp) and gave 182 Nm @ 2,000 rpm.

There is a newer CRDI VGT engine giving extra 20bhp (which is almost like having a 4th cylinder over the output of previous version).

So New 1.5 3 cylinder, 4 valves per cylinder CRDi engine gives 75 kW (102 HP) and a maximum torque of 235 Nm.
0 to 100 km/h in 14.3 seconds and a maximum speed of 164 km/h.
The average consumption is indicated as 5,4 litres of Diesel on 100 km

This information taken from German website
http://www.alle-autos-in.de/hyundai/hyunda...rdi_a7920.shtml

My German is not very good, so I had the webpage literally 'translated' into English via http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr :-

"Particularly at recent families the Hyundai is matrix for years likes. The variable Korean can be pleased now about December width unit a Facelift and an achievement syringe. The diesel engine has thanks of variable load geometry immediately 75 kW/102 HP.

Hyundai Santa Fe and Tucson before-made it: Variable loader geometry brings momentum into the Diesel pallet of Hyundai. With the Familienvan Hyundai matrix can be pleased the driver immediately about a cylinder more, 75 kW/102 HP and a maximum torque of 235 Nm.

So far the model had to get along with schlappen three pots and 20 HP less. The further road performances matrix 1,5 CRDi VGT: 0 to 100 km/h in 14.3 seconds and a maximum speed of 164 km/h. Those are not peak values, should however most drivers contently place. The average consumption is indicated as 5,4 litres of Diesel on 100 km. Unfortunately also the new engine creates still only euro 3.
Optically the front was easily expenditure-blown. New headlights and a changed radiator grille stand for that matrix well to face. The trunk volume amounts to between 354 and 1.284 litres. The entrance price for the Hyundai matrix 1,5 CRDi GLS is with 16.680 euro. In the past year Germany far over 6.800 Hyundai matrix were sold".

Want to know what a Matrix fitted with this latest engine might be like for towing?

http://www.caravantrekker.nl/selecteren/tr...t_car=&cartype=

Again using Babelfish to convert this Dutch page into English:-

"Control of the data

On the basis of technical data mentioned below of by you the geslecteerde car and caravan this calculation has been made. Since of certain general assumptions becomes has gone out differences with the practice always possible. See also the explanation elsewhere on this site.

[b]Car Hyundai matrix - 1.5 CRDi VGT (75 kW)
Period 2004 - present
[b]Capacity 75 kW at 4000 rpm
Cross-belt [b]235 Nm at (or as from) 2000 rpm
Weight 1280 kilogrammes. and load with 100 kilogrammes.
link half-measure 195/55 r 15
acceleration barge Hand-changed gear (or automat without koppelomvormer)
Reductions 3,615/1,962/1,257/0,905/0,702 - end reduction 3,941
Emotionally charged weight caravan 0 kilogrammes (up to permitted weight is NB kilogramme.)
Maximum appetite weight Hyundai 1300 kilogrammes.
The flow line streamlining stroomlijn is: . (altitude = m. and breadth = m..)
Total train weight (auto+caravan) 1380 kilogrammes.


Calculated the speeds are very dependent of the exact air capacitance of the combination. experience figures (also of you!) to lie to this at basis. Be calculated échte kilometres, speed indicators districts always finished - legally obliges - frequently 5 ŕ 10%. further is for a good calculation correct check acceleration barge proportions essential!! a method that is the so-called toerentellertruc:

The revolution counter on 2,500 rpm. fixes speeds mentioned below would be read would have. There think to that this échte kilometres are!

The speed at 2500 rpm in 1st acceleration is 19 km/u.

The speed at 2500 rpm in 2e acceleration is 35 km/u.

The speed at 2500 rpm in 3e acceleration is 55 km/u.

The speed at 2500 rpm in 4e acceleration is 76 km/u.

The speed at 2500 rpm in 5e acceleration is 98 km/u. "


Europe seem to have had this engine since 2004?

I should be getting to test drive a Hyundai Matrix 1.5 CRDi VGT with 75kW (102bhp) engine on Monday here in Cebu, Philippines. I was assured by the dealer it was this latest engine - and it's not available with the electric sunroof that seems to be standard Spec in Europe.

Let you know what I think of the Drive.

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Originally posted by Atti_5@Jun 14 2005, 01:59 AM
[b]The new engine was annoanced some months ago also on different car news portals.

the 4 valves 1.5 CRDi is reality. I collected above information from european official Hyundai pages, eg. www.hyundai.at, ge, .sk, .cz, but also from kia pages, as same engine is offered in Kia Cerato for example.

Half a year ago the Matrix was offered still with 3 valve diesel engine also in Europe, that's why I wanted to raise your attention - I know this because that time I was choosing my car, finally an Accent.

Best wishes, Attila
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Old 06-20-2005, 05:19 AM   #10 (permalink)
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dear dwhittall,

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[b]It seems to me the 1.5CRDI VGT engine as fitted in the Matrix must be 3 cylinder!
No, the 75kW one it is definitely a 4 Cylinder!

I speak German (fluent and on daily base) and the first sentense of Your referred explicitely tells "kann sich der Fahrer ab sofort [b]über einen Zylinder mehr, 75 kW/102 PS und ein maximales Drehmoment von 235 Nm freuen.".

The bold text means "it has .... by one cylinder more", and this is also included in your strange translation.

Again old 1.5 CRDi was derived from 2.0 CRDi (known from Tucson for example), it was a 3 cylinder version of that one.

The new 4 Cylinder 1.5 Crdi has already it's "child", a 1.1 CRDi 3 cylinder engine used in smaller cars of the concern, like Kia Picanto.

Hopefully You can look under the hood and count the cylinders during your todays test drive

Cheers, Attila

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